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I agree to a certain extent, .  What I mean is, that continuity can be contradicted for the narrative's, for the characters' inside that narrative, but not for their own sake.
I would argue continuity is part of quality.

But my point was I care when the creator of somethings says something is canon, even when the evidence on screen clearly contradicts their statement.
But maybe you are right, maybe I care too much.

To each their own.  Wink
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(01-13-2019, 06:16 PM)bionicbob Wrote: [ -> ]I would argue continuity is part of quality.

To each their own.  Wink

Oh, I agree!  But if a story can be better because of it, then be it.    Big Grin
(01-13-2019, 06:19 PM)Canon Editor Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, I agree!  But if a story can be better because of it, then be it.    Big Grin

Perhaps.

I guess it comes down to the old argument, just because you CAN do something, SHOULD you?

If I can write a fantastic Star Trek story that will win the hearts and minds of new Trek viewers,  even though this same story will openly contradict/negate a previously well established respected story loved by old fans, I should definitely do it?

Or can I write the same original amazing new story but have it build upon the past rather than ignore it, honouring the franchise as whole while paving new ground?

One path is easier and gives an immediate pay off, the other is harder but in the long run more rewarding.

Too many people these days seem to do things simply because they can, never questioning if they should until after the consequences.

But then then again what do I know?  Just another grumpy old fanboy....
(01-13-2019, 05:55 PM)suspiciouscoffee Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-13-2019, 05:29 PM)Duragizer Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-13-2019, 04:41 PM)bionicbob Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-13-2019, 04:27 PM)Duragizer Wrote: [ -> ]I don't believe in canon, official or personal. The concept's an albatross around the neck with a ball and chain attached it its foot.

Huh


I do not understand this in the slightest.  Could you clarify?

Any story, be it a 12 volume epic saga or a single 5 page short story, has a canon.

Canon is a set of in-universe rules and history,  it is one of the key foundations of storytelling, be it fiction or historical.

You don't write a story set in World War Two and have your character use iPhones or say Roosevelt was not the US President... 
(unless you are Harry Turtledove LOL)  Rolleyes

Perhaps it's my Surrealist/Postmodernist sensibilities showing, but I don't really care about any of that, certainly not when it comes to fiction. I don't care if Klingons had smooth foreheads in TOS and ridged foreheads in TMP+; I don't care if Yoda was Obi-Wan's master in the OT and Qui-Gon was Obi-Wan's master in the PT; I don't care that the Highlander sequels contradict the ending of the original film and each other; I don't care about the various discrepancies between the Evil Dead films and TV show. In my POV, quality and tone matter more than continuity.

American Graffiti is ruined by the fact that a movie theater is showing Dementia 13, even though the setting of Graffiti is 1962, a year prior to the release of Dementia.

But Dementia 13 is ruined by the non-existence of Dementia 2-12, so it all balances out.
(01-13-2019, 06:33 PM)bionicbob Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-13-2019, 06:19 PM)Canon Editor Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, I agree!  But if a story can be better because of it, then be it.    Big Grin

Perhaps.

I guess it comes down to the old argument, just because you CAN do something, SHOULD you?

If I can write a fantastic Star Trek story that will win the hearts and minds of new Trek viewers,  even though this same story will openly contradict/negate a previously well established respected story loved by old fans, I should definitely do it?

Or can I write the same original amazing new story but have it build upon the past rather than ignore it, honouring the franchise as whole while paving new ground?

One path is easier and gives an immediate pay off, the other is harder but in the long run more rewarding.

Too many people these days seem to do things simply because they can, never questioning if they should until after the consequences.

But then then again what do I know?  Just another grumpy old fanboy....

Well, I agree.
Wow!  Wow oh WoW!

Just finished the season two premiere, "Brother"....

Of course I need to rewatch before really over analyzing it or nit picking (lol) but on first watch, this was highly entertaining!

Anson Mount was great as Captain Pike!  Very charming, a cross between Archer and Kirk.

The bridge crew finally all get names! 

We get a much better look at the Enterprise, it essentially seems to be the Motion Picture version but with TOS nacelles.  It looks great imo.

Tig Notaro as engineer Jet Reno (now that's a name!!!) was hilarious, hope she is sticking around!

The pacing was a runaway train, so I am still not clear on the whole set up mystery of the "signal" they are investigating.

The Spock/Burnham relationship mystery is intriguing.... but please, please, PLEASE don't have it turn out they were foster siblings and LOVERS!!!! Confused

While we don't see new Spock in this episode, we do get to hear Ethan Peck's voice, and I was quite impressed, he captures Nimoy's inflection very well, much better than Quinto.

Visually still beautiful and cinematic!  The scoring was excellent as well.

All in all, a wonderful and exciting season premiere, that has seemingly course corrected many of the issues from last season.
(01-17-2019, 10:12 PM)bionicbob Wrote: [ -> ]Anson Mount was great as Captain Pike!

Tig Notaro as engineer Jet Reno

You're making these names up.

UK Netflix is saying the episode will be available sometime today. Looking forward to it.
new season two promo....



Pretty much agree with the above assessments, except for Tilly and Saru.  I feel both characters have grown and have becoming endearing.
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